The Designer Resilience Podcast → Episode 4 (54 min.)

Navigating Complexity with Mieke van der Bijl-Brouwer

On the importance of relationships in (design) education, the problems of heroism, individualism and performance pressure, and the emotions involved in wanting to make a difference in a complex world.
Mieke van der Bijl-Brouwer is an independent researcher, teacher, and speaker with an interest in methods and practices to tackle complex societal challenges and shift systems. Her expertise includes humanizing design practices, transdisciplinary collaboration, and complexity thinking.
What happens when design meets the real mess of the world? In this episode, Brooke and Leon talk to Mieke van der Bijl-Brouwer about designing with complexity – where there are no neat problems, no perfect solutions, and no clear finish lines. From system shifts to directionality, Mieke challenges the dominant worldview of design as problem solving and offers a new lens: one that values relationships, learning and navigating the unknown together. Mieke shares her journey from traditional industrial design to tackling complex societal challenges, emphasising the importance of systems thinking, transdisciplinary collaboration and a shift from a mechanistic worldview to a complex relational one.

In this episode of the Designer Resilience Podcast, Brooke and Leon engage in a captivating conversation with Mieke van der Bijl-Brouwer, delving into her experiences and insights on navigating the complexities of design within the context of societal challenges. Mieke, an independent researcher, teacher, and speaker, begins by sharing her background as an industrial designer and her transition towards addressing more complex issues.

Mieke openly discusses the steep learning curve she faced when moving into this new domain, highlighting the initial difficulties of navigating unfamiliar territories and the necessity of adapting to a different way of thinking. She emphasizes the shift from the controlled environment of product design to the inherent uncertainty and multifaceted nature of societal design, where numerous stakeholders and diverse perspectives come into play.

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the concept of resilience. Mieke shares a personal story of overcoming adversity, revealing her belief that resilience is an intrinsic human quality. This experience has profoundly influenced her perspective on navigating challenges and underscores the importance of viewing setbacks as opportunities for growth and learning.

The discussion further explores the differences between traditional problem-solving and the approaches required for tackling complex societal issues. Mieke advocates for a shift from a reductionist approach to a more holistic, systems-oriented perspective. She emphasizes the value of experimentation, learning from both successes and failures, and adapting strategies along the way.

Mieke also critically examines the influence of the dominant “mechanistic competitive worldview” on education and how it shapes our understanding of well-being. She advocates for a more relational approach that prioritizes community, connection, and systemic change, moving beyond individualism and reductionism.

The conversation concludes with Mieke offering valuable advice to students and professionals, encouraging them to embrace uncertainty, prioritize learning, and recognize the importance of collaboration in creating meaningful and lasting change.

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As designers, we often encounter resistance and personal overload when tackling complex challenges. This event will present valuable insights and practical tools, curated from extensive research by Dr Mieke van der Bijl-Brouwer and Dr Rebecca Price, to help designers thrive in their craft and build a cohesive design community.

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